On Binge Reading this week, biographical fiction author Marie Benedict talks about her latest best seller, The Mitford Affair, the story of the beautiful and notorious Mitford sisters. Famous as the debutant daughters of an English Peer and then infamous as World War II traitors
Hi there. I’m your host, Jenny Wheeler and critics rave about Marie Benedict’s uncanny ability to unearth untold woman’s stories – from Albert Einstein’s first wife to the hidden life of Agatha Christie – from JP Morgan’s personal librarian- to Andrew Carnegie’s maid, she’s written about them all.
On Binge Reading today, Marie talks about where her passion for storytelling comes from and how she works on excavating stories like a literary archaeologist.
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Links to things discussed in this episode
The Mists of Avalon – the book that got Marie hooked on history: : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mists_of_Avalon
Mists of Avalon TV series; https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0244353/
Lord Redesdale (The Mitford daughter’s father: https://spartacus-educational.com/SSredesdale.htm
The Mystery of Mrs Christie, by Marie Benedict: https://www.authormariebenedict.com/the-mystery-of-mrs-christie.html
The Other Einstein, by Marie Benedict: https://www.authormariebenedict.com/the-other-einstein.html
The Personal Librarian: https://www.authormariebenedict.com/the-personal-librarian.html
Victoria Christopher Murray – Marie’s Co-Author and author in her own right of more than 30 books: https://victoriachristophermurray.com/
Belle da Costa Greene: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_da_Costa_Greene
Mick Herron: The Slough House series: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Herron
Mary McLeod Bethune: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_McLeod_Bethune
Eleanor Roosevelt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Roosevelt
Where to Find Marie Benedict Online
Don’t forget if you enjoy the show, do leave us a review so others can find us too. But now here’s Marie.
Introducing Author Marie Benedict
Jenny Wheeler: Hello there Marie, and welcome to the show. It’s great to have you with us.
Marie Benedict: I am absolutely delighted to be here as, as I said to you right before you hit the record button, obviously I love to talk books, but oh my gosh, I love New Zealand and it’s just such a delight to get to talk with you while you were there.
Jenny Wheeler: That’s wonderful. Now you’ve made a name for yourself. write a bestselling historical fiction about real women’s stories.
Some of them well-known women, others of them not so well known at all, but the one that we’re talking about, particularly today, and the latest one is about the very famous Mitford girls in wartime England, and just before the Second World War.
Tell us, first of all, where did this love women’s stories come from.
Marie Benedict: Well for me, it started long, long ago, decades ago when I was in middle school, in my early teenage years. I had this wonderful aunt who was an English professor and a poet, and she was a rebellious nun and she was just awesome.
And she was the one who was, if you’re lucky in your life, you have this one person who gives you the right books, the perfect books at the right time.
And she was that person in my life and she gave me many really impactful books.
But the one that set me on the path that I’m on today started with a book she gave me. it was called The Mists of Avalon (by Marion Zimmer Bradley).
The book that changed Marie’s life
It was, it’s not going to sound revolutionary when I describe it, but back when it was first written, it really was, it was a retelling of the Arthurian legend from the perspective of the women.
And it was like, in our lives we have these epiphany moments. And, that’s what it was for me.
It was like, oh my God, like history legend and lore is so much more than I’ve been told. It’s so much bigger and there are so many voices and perspectives that people are not hearing. And that is really when my quest began.
I ended up getting a history degree and then I took this long detour as a lawyer, before I circled back to this, into writing these stories, which is really what I was always supposed to be doing.
Jenny Wheeler: And that’s such a good way of describing what you do, revealing the details of the stories. Now with the Mitfords, there’s a lot of detail there to be unearthed, what drew you to them? I mean, they are famous women. A lot of their story was already known.
Marie Benedict: Right. So, you know, it’s interesting, there’s only a couple women that I’ve written about who were known, Agatha Christie is the probably the most famous one. but in each case where I’ve chosen a woman who’s better known, it’s a lesser known part of their life that I’m interested in exploring.
I’m interested in exploring the secrets, the things that were brushed under the rug, and the way in which those things reverberate into the present. I’m all about the legacy and sometimes we think like with Agatha Christie, which was a couple books ago, we think we know her and we think we know her legacy, but the reality is there’s so much more to her story and I’m interested in that part of women’s histories as well.
Downton Abbey meets The Crown
Jenny Wheeler: Yes. With The Mitford Affair, which has been described as Downtown Abbey Meets The Crown – you’ve got six extraordinary sisters who enthralled England and much of the world,
They looked, in the mid 1930s, like they were totally destined to marry lords and have a rich and an aristocratic life. And because of the way things turned out politically with the war, it didn’t happen like that at all.
Now you excavate the rivalries between the sisters very well. Was that part of what drew you to the story, the way they all six worked together or against each other?
Marie Benedict: Yes, it was fascinating to me. I am the oldest of six – four sisters and two brothers, and my family is not like theirs, nobody’s is like the Mitfords. But at the same time, I have seen first hand the way in which sibling relationships dictate our personalities, our belief systems, the decisions we make, and sometimes it’s unconscious.
And when I got to know the Mitford story, they weren’t super well known to me, until I did some research for another book I wrote about the Churchills. I wrote a book about Winston Churchill’s wife and the Mitfords, who were related to the Churchills – kept on coming up.
And that was when I learned more and more about the role these women played first as social luminaries who defied everybody’s expectations that they’d marry well, right? (Except for one sister.)
Sibling rivalries exposed
And then these darker pieces of their past and that story overlaid with this sibling relationship and the way in which these sisters each followed dramatically different political paths at a time period of great unrest and great polarization.
It was just fascinating to me to see how those things evolved.
Particularly when you look at our own society and the way in which we have so much polarization today. I’m always interested in the way in which the past reverberates into the present, and I couldn’t resist their story,
Jenny Wheeler: Their mother Lady Redesdale apparently once said, “whenever I see the words peer’s daughter in a headline, I know it’s going to be something about one of my girls.”
Marie Benedict: Yes, exactly.
Jenny Wheeler: And she wasn’t exaggerating, was she?
Marie Benedict: No, she wasn’t. I mean, they were regularly in the newspaper. Now, admittedly in the earlier years it was more society reports. You know, the girls were all debutantes. They were always the best balls and, their outfits and the people, they danced with all those things, that was another interesting part of the world.
And yet, as the years went on, what they were most known for was the scandals in which they became embroiled. Beginning with Diana, the, third oldest who had been, oh my gosh, she’s the one who started out marrying well, right?
The perfect life got boring
She married the heir to the Guinness Beer fortune, she had this fabulous life with her adoring husband and her two young children, and she left it all for a married, Sir Oswald Wesley, who was the head of the leader of the fascist Unit in Great Britain.
And it was just unfathomable to people. And it was the stuff of great scandal. I mean, that was the sort of thing that just simply wasn’t done. Even today it would’ve been a huge scandal, but back then, even more so, and that was just the beginning of the sorts of things that these sisters became headline news.
Jenny Wheeler: Mosley, I could not really understand the attraction for him. And when I Googled around her a bit about him, I found that he was an absolute philander who had right at the beginning made it clear that he wasn’t going to leave his wife. So, it wasn’t as if she was just quietly going to take up separate residences and then marry him as soon as he was available.
She understood right from the beginning that wasn’t going to happen. Did you ever really get a sense of why he was so utterly tempting?
Marie Benedict: You know, it’s such a great question. and you and I are not the only two to, muse on that. Sometimes when I give speeches, I like to even just show pictures, like her first husband was stunning and smart and kind and adored her. And then you’ve got this other guy who’s a cad and he’s married and he’s sleeping with his sisters-in-law.
The unlikely appeal of Oswald Mosley
And he’s just awful in every sense of the word. And I don’t know that we’ll ever really know why, but I think my personal pop psychology view, having spent way too much time with Diana is that it was the thrill of the chase. You know, Mosley was never, ever really hers.
Not even when they married, not even in later years. I don’t want to give too much away, but when they were social pariahs, when they had children together, he was a challenge and Diana was very smart. She lived in an era where careers weren’t something that women, at least women of her stature generally did.
And I think she was horribly bored by all that adulation and easy life that, Brian Guinness offered.
And I think. Mosley was a challenge, and she went after him with her heart and her mind. She became fully enamored of his belief system, she was an apolitical creature prior to being with him.
She adopted his views as her views, and I think everything she did was in service of keeping Mosley close.
That’s my personal view. I think he was he never really was hers and that was a great challenge for her.
Jenny Wheeler: Yes. Now the story focuses a lot on Nancy Mitford, who we know very well as a top novelist and her rising alarm about the passion that both Diana and the other sister Unity seem to be developing for the Nazi party.
Similar political passions, different motivations
It’s clear also that you bring up, well, that the two sisters Unity and Diana probably went for the Nazis for very different motivations.
I mean, you’ve already made it clear that probably Diana went simply because it was a way to influence and gain power over Oswald, whereas Unity was probably a genuine convertee. Talk a bit about the dynamic between those three sisters.
Marie Benedict: Yeah, you’ve just asked such a good question. One of the things that was really fascinating for me was how people form their political belief systems.
Right? It isn’t the way I naively thought years ago when people read about them and then came up with an informed belief system that matched their morals.
I don’t think for most people it’s that conscious a decision. I think very often our political belief systems are born out of things that are happening to us personally and we be follow one movement or the other based on that. and I think as you mentioned in Diana’s case, Oswald was the head of the fascists in Great Britain.
It behooved him to forge alliances with the other fascist leaders across Europe. And through, and I’ll talk in a minute, a connection that, Diana had with Hitler. she wanted to deliver an alliance with Hitler to him because that would cement her relationship with Mosley forever.
The tragedy of Unity Mitford
And that’s basically what she did.
So, I think she went after her belief system, her adherence to Nazism in a very calculating way, to serve a very personal desire.
It’s funny because on the other hand, when you look at Unity, who you know you want to dislike her more because in many ways she is a true believer in Nazism, and that part of her is really reprehensible, but she comes to that belief system for more sympathetic reasons.
She was really the odd man out in her familial sibling dynamic. She was the least attractive. She was the most ungainly. She was not the prettiest. She was not the smartest’ at least that’s what the other sisters told her.
And she wanted to find her own way of standing out her own identity, her own special thing.
And, unfortunately, she chose Nazism. It was the worst thing. But the reason she chose it was a sad reason.
It was trying to fill a void and create an identity for herself, and her obsession with Nazism and Adolf Hitler specifically, with whom she had a very close relationship it’s just appalling.
And yet when you look at the why you think it was really Diana who was much more manipulative in that dynamic of the relationship.
The personal is political
Jenny Wheeler: Now this is interesting. I know I don’t want to get us into trouble talking current politics
However, you do note on these ways that we form our views on politics, whether the personal comes first or whether the political thinking comes first.
Would you like to comment at all in your own world on how you see that playing out today?
Marie Benedict: Well, I have to say it was trying to understand people’s political views that attracted me to this story.
In this world when we have such far ranging and distinctly opposite political views and sometimes in people that I find surprising.
Right. I think we’ve all had the experience of having someone that we think we’re close to or thought we know, and their political views surprise us.
And I was having a lot of trouble trying to understand it.
And in this book it’s throws all those issues in bold relief.
It really lays bare how people come to believe what they believe. It helped me process it. It didn’t give me all the answers or anything, nor did it always make me more sympathetic, but it definitely helped me understand.
And very often when I choose a topic and a woman, usually each woman’s life has topics that lend itself to the story.
I’m usually processing something of my own. And for me, this story. was helping me process some very real political divisions that I was seeing in modern times.
A political commitment that was delusional
Jenny Wheeler: Because they generate such absolute passion sometimes, don’t they?
And I think looking from afar, one of the things, and I’m certain it happens everywhere, is the way that some people very conveniently can drop some of their moral or ethical views.
Marie Benedict: mm-hmm.
Jenny Wheeler: To follow someone who quite clearly is not, of the same level They brush inconvenient aspects those under the carpet.
And that seemed to happen with both of the Mitford girls who went after Nazism. They could turn an utterly blind eye. I think Unity was living in an apartment which had been taken away from a Jewish family
Marie Benedict: It was like blinders in her case. She was, in many ways, I think, not mentally well, she was unstable emotionally, and that’s not an excuse on her part by any stretch, but her ability to put those blinders on was, it was almost delusional. Right. Diana knew.
And it didn’t suit her, so she chose not to address it or think about it, So, it was amazing to me the way in which they could pick and choose what part of the belief system that appealed to them.
And, you got to see it play out with their parents as well.
Here you have Lord and Lady Redesdale. I mean, Lord Redesdale s hated the Germans. He fought against them in World War I.
He would storm around the house sometimes yelling about the Huns, which is what he called the Germans, when the girls were growing up.
The changing allegiance of Lord Redesdale
And, he really made this complete sea change in his viewpoint.
And he knew full well what people were saying and intimating about what was going on with the Jewish population of Germany.
And he was making excuses for it in public.
And then he made a complete switcharoo again. you know.
It’s just amazing the way in which people can convince themselves into whatever belief system and set of facts that they want, because it suits them at the time.
And, that’s exactly what happened with the Mitfords.
Jenny Wheeler: Now Nancy’s role in this, I’m not quite sure how much you’ve deduced or how much is actually written record, but it certainly sounds like with her relationship with Winston Churchill, that in the end she did have a hand in dobbing them in. Is that right?
Marie Benedict: That is true. Yes. There are recently, in the past several years now, released MI5 records, that were sealed, during this time period, of the book in which Nancy very plainly, stated Diana’s complicity with the Nazis and her fears for what she might undertake.
Now do I know that Nancy did the things that she did in the book?
Nancy Mitford’s crisis of conscience
No, I don’t know that. I think to know some of the things that she knew she had to do, some level of snooping. Right. She did.
But she did have to come to that crisis of conscience about what pathway she was going to go. Was she going to continue to stay loyal to her sisters, defend them no matter what.
Or was she going ultimately to be loyal to her country and to the belief system, that it espoused. And she does make a choice, how far she went in her actual activities. That’s where the fiction came in because we don’t exactly. We do know that she was working with the government.
We know that. I don’t know to what extent Winston was involved in that, but given his role and their relationship with her family, I can’t imagine it didn’t come up.
I just can’t imagine it. So a lot of that stuff is definitely speculation. But her role in her sister’s – I guess it’s a spoiler, but I’m going say it anyway – in her sister’s incarceration is factual. One hundred per cent.
Jenny Wheeler: You can sympathize when you remember that her own husband was fighting, actually physically fighting, in the war at the time that Diana was stills scheming for the day Hitler was going to be leading England,
Marie Benedict: That’s right.
Diana Mitford – Preparing Hitler’s runaway
Jenny Wheeler: Looking ahead to see her own future, feathering her nest for once he was there in power.
Marie Benedict: That’s a great way to put it. Feathering her own future. I love that. you know, it was like she was readying the runway.
She was creating a communication system so that he could spread propaganda and communicate among followers.
She was propping up financially the fascists in Great Britain so that when Hitler successfully marched across their country, there would be a ready group of people to take power.
It was like once she had decided she was going to throw her lot in with Mosley, By God she was going make him successful and that was really her end game, right?
This was her horse and she put her money on him and she was going to win and she was going to do whatever it took to make that horse victorious.
And she did. I mean the stuff she did was really unbelievable. And the access that she and Unity both had to Adolf Hitler is nothing short of shocking.
The children who were left behind
Jenny Wheeler: Tell me one thing, that I didn’t quite pick up from the book, and I couldn’t even find it when I Googled around. When she was taken into prison as a political prisoner and a danger to English war effort she had a very young son. Did he go to prison with her or was he looked after by someone else?
Marie Benedict: No, he was just a couple months old when she went to prison and she was not released for the rest of the war.
She was given periodic visits with him. Her nanny took the children. She had a toddler and a newborn. She took the children and as you can imagine, a lot of people didn’t want to take them in, right?
Her parents were falling apart separately because Unity had shot herself and was at death’s door, and then much compromised after that.
And there was a big divide between the parents. So her parents, who had been supportive, weren’t able to, or weren’t willing to, take them in.
Nancy of course wasn’t going do it. Deborah was still very young. but Pamela. the one sister who also had fascist sympathies and so did her husband, although they were not as active in any stretch as Unity and Diana.
Living with notoriety
Pamela and her husband took in Diana’s children and with a nanny of course, because you know, women at that time did not raise children at that level.
Right. They had an army to do that.
But the other two were with Bryan Guinness, who obviously was not in prison. He was able to look after them. It was the Mosley children that were left out in the cold. And so it was Pamela who took them in for the years that they were in prison.
Jenny Wheeler: Mm, mm-hmm. The sons both seem to have had reasonably successful careers. It seemed that they managed okay. Anyway, from the little that I could pick up.
Marie Benedict: After prison, you mean?
Jenny Wheeler: Both the parents and the sons. Max for example, had quite a successful career,
Marie Benedict: Oh, right. Yes, they did. They did. Certainly they had to deal with the notoriety of their parents. Absolutely. But they had managed to rise up and have very successful careers afterwards.
The mystery of Agatha Christie’s life
Jenny Wheeler: That was a fascinating book, which I must recommend to everybody listening. I haven’t had a chance to read the Agatha Christie book yet, but it also sounds wonderful.
You mentioned it at the beginning. and I gather part of it focuses on that unknown period where she disappeared and it never quite has come to light in the general press what exactly went on in those years?
Did you find it fascinating to dig around on that?
Marie Benedict: Oh, so fascinating. I’ve always been a fan of that Golden Age of Mystery Fiction of which Agatha’s the queen, but there’s many others that I adore.
And that same aunt that I mentioned earlier, she gave me a bazillion Agha Christie books, and I just always loved the time period and the puzzles but I realized that I didn’t know the woman.
Right? Here we have this woman who is the most successful writer of all time. She has sold billions of copies of her books that continue to sell, that continue to be made into adaptations.
And yet, we just have a very specific sense of her in her later years, sipping tea, wearing tweeds at a English country estate, and the reality of who she was and who she became.
And the mystery surrounding her very real life disappearance.
She disappeared for 11 days. It led to the largest manhunt in England’s history. all of those things were so fascinating.
Marie Benedict’s breakthrough books
I just couldn’t get my head around the fact that this woman who created these unsolvable puzzles would have an unsolvable puzzle at the heart of her own life.
And I just, again, that was one that I just, I had to dig around and find out.
Jenny Wheeler: And if you’ve got any breakthrough books, if you’ve got a book that’s given you a special thrill, what would it be?
Marie Benedict: I honestly, I love each of my women so much. They’re my companions and I’m their advocate, and I feel honored to tell their stories. If I had to pick one, I would definitely say the first one, Mileva Einstein. that’s the first of these books that I wrote.
She was Albert Einstein’s first wife. She was a physicist. I believe she played, a big role in his discoveries.
I have a certain protectiveness around her in part, I think because she was the first of these stories, but also, I think she was the one who, was most marginalized in some ways, the least able to do the work that she was called to do, because of her circumstances.
And then I just had such a unique and special time writing my co-written book, The Personal Librarian, which is, about Belle da Costa Greene, the personal librarian to the famous financier in the early 19 hundreds JP Morgan.
She was one of the most successful people in the art world during her time, but she was only able to fulfill that role by hiding her true identity.
What Marie is reading now
She was a black woman passing as white, during an era of American segregation.
And, I forged exploring her life was such an honor. But to do it with my co-writer, Victoria Christopher Murray, who’s become not just a co-writer, but like a sister to me, it’s just such a transformative period of my life and just really special.
So I would say I love them all, but those two.
Jenny Wheeler: Oh, that’s wonderful. Look, we are starting to run out of time, so we’ll talk a little bit now about your reading tastes and, whether you binge read and what you are currently reading that you’d like to recommend to people?
Marie Benedict: So I do binge read and depending on when you ask me what I’m reading, it will vary wildly. So when I’m doing writing or editing, I cannot read in my genre. I just can’t, I can’t read historical fiction. It’s too close. It, permeates tmy way of thinking and can’t take that risk.
So, I just came off finishing, some editing. And so during that time period, I actually binge read a whole mystery series. it’s, it’s by Mick Herron, I think it’s called Slough House. I don’t know if you’re familiar with it. It
Jenny Wheeler: Yes.
Marie Benedict: It’s a great series. A bunch of these misfit MI 5 characters and good mystery puzzles, but the characters are really fun and it’s funny as well.
And that was a great break, while I was actually finishing this editing and trying to keep away from historical fiction, which I do read a lot, when I’m not writing.
Advice to my younger self – Marie Benedict
Jenny Wheeler: Fantastic. A pallet cleanser.
Marie Benedict: Yes, great characters in those books. Really well done.
Jenny Wheeler: Looking back down the tunnel of time, if you were having your time as a writer over again, is there anything you’d change about the way you proceeded?
Marie Benedict: In many ways I look back and I think I couldn’t have gotten here, unless I did everything I did before, right.
Jenny Wheeler: Yes.
Marie Benedict: Some things are practice. My 11 years as a lawyer, I didn’t love those, but they were really important for me to get to here.
So, I don’t regret any of it, but what I would tell my younger self is, Believe in yourself.
When I started writing The Other Einstein, people really weren’t writing biographical, historical fiction then. That wasn’t really a thing people did.
And that’s what I wanted to do. I thought there were so many important historical women that I wanted to write about and I hemmed and haw around, plunging into that at first, and I would look back and say, ‘Go for it.’
You know? I mean, just do it.
But I think we all come to things when we’re ready for them.
And the issues I often explore in those books are issues that I couldn’t have tackled as a younger woman. There’re issues of having lived. But, yes. I would say believe in myself sooner.
That would be my advice to my self.
What is next for Marie Benedict – writer
Jenny Wheeler: What’s next for Marie as writer? What have you got on your desk for the next 12 months?
Marie Benedict: Oh my gosh. Well, I have something coming up very soon. in June. On June 27th in the US.
I have my next co-written book coming out with Victoria, my co-writer. The book is called The First Ladies.
And it’s the story of this really world changing friendship between two women. Eleanor Roosevelt, who was the First Lady of the United States during World War II, wife of F D R.
And a woman that isn’t probably as well known. Her name was Mary McLeod Bethune. She was born in the late 18 hundreds, the 15th child in a family, the first born free.
She was born to formerly enslaved parents, rose up to become incredibly educated, started a college and became during her lifetime, a very well-known advocate for equality.
Eleanor and Mary became best friends, starting in the 1920s, at a time period when white and black people were not supposed to be friends.
And they forged this unbelievable closeness. and as the years went on, really, became so tight and also became much more aligned in the work that they were doing.
And these two women worked behind the scenes to really form the foundation for the Civil Rights Movement in America.
Really nobody knows.
A transformative co-writing partnership
And, so for my co-writer and I, it was a really exciting opportunity to explore the legacy of these women, but also to explore the way in which, it’s a little autobiographical.
When you have to come together to talk about really difficult issues around race, how can you come out the other side?
How can you come out closer than you ever could have imagined?
And so for us it was a really special experience to write their story through the, our story, through the stand-ins of Mary and Eleanor, and also explore these incredible women.
Jenny Wheeler: Sounds amazing.
Marie Benedict: Thank you. What was that one amazing experience to write up.
Jenny Wheeler: That’s wonderful. you have referred to your work as like an archeology really of the literary field, and it sounds like this is a perfect example.
Marie Benedict: Yeah. It really is. You know, sometimes I’m unearthing. sometimes I’m talking about totally unknown women, and sometimes well known,
Eleanor Roosevelt in our country is very, very well known. Mary Mcleod Bethune less so, but this part of their friendship, this part of these women there, this friendship there’s almost nothing written about it.
And so we really had to excavate, like you said, dig into nooks and crannies to try and find the connections and the crossovers and the implications of their relationship, and that was just a wonderful journey to do.
Where to find Marie Benedict online
Jenny Wheeler: Fantastic. Now, do you enjoy talking with your readers and where can they find you online?
Marie Benedict: I love to, I mean, so much of what I do is sitting right here in my office. It’s just me. and I went on my first book tour really since Covid with The Mitford affair. I’d gone out and done a couple things, but not like an actual tour. So that’s been exciting to get back out there.
people can always reach me. On my website, author marie benedict.com. I’m on Facebook and Instagram author Marie Benedict. I don’t do Twitter and some of those other things, but I am pretty responsive and I do love to connect with people.
Jenny Wheeler: Thanks so much, Marie. It’s been wonderful talking.
Marie Benedict: Thank you. It’s been such a treat. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.
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Next Time on Binge Reading
Jenny Wheeler: Irish author and international bestseller. Liz Nugent, the master of psychological thrillers is on the show next time talking about her latest book, Strange Sally Diamond. Liz is the winner of numerous fiction awards
And readers and critics are utterly absorbed by her twisty, compulsive, psychological thrillers that also combine surprising humor and pathos. That’s next time on binge reading.
That’s it for today. Thanks for listening and happy reading.